arikinder (9/21/2010 9:39:44 AM): Hope all is well with you.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:21:27 AM): hey
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:21:32 AM): Hello
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:22:08 AM): are you well?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:22:33 AM): I am. How are you?
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:22:54 AM): well
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:23:24 AM): what about Bart Ehrman?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:23:44 AM): I’ve already told you. He is an athesit, not a Christian.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:24:09 AM): He was a Christian at first.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:24:17 AM): So what? I was a Jew first.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:25:06 AM): Now I am a Christian
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:25:25 AM): then he knew that bibles are not true
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:25:28 AM): No, and you should remember that your own religion teaches that the Bible is the word of God
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:26:08 AM): yes of course but these four bibles are not true
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:26:28 AM): You have no proof of that.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:26:46 AM): I have.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:27:00 AM): No, you don’t.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:28:20 AM): You try to use some "Christian scholar" as one of your proofs. The problem is, he isn’t a Christian at all. Would you allow an atheist to determine the accuracy of the Koran? Of course not!
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:28:40 AM): there were a lot of bibles at first then aking chose the four bibles and reject others. Ok?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:28:55 AM): That’s not true
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:29:13 AM): true 100%
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:29:43 AM): The Books that were rejected were proven to be false. They claimed to be written by Peter or Paul or Thomas but it can be proven that they were written long after their deaths. That is why they were rejected
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:30:33 AM): ok prove
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:30:49 AM): I don’t have to. That’s the facts. Look it up, pal. That is the History
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:31:19 AM): That is the History? !!!!!!!!
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:31:31 AM): History records this fact
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:31:51 AM): I looked it up already
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:32:07 AM): Obviously not very well.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:32:48 AM): Did Peter wrote Peter1 & Peter 2?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:32:57 AM): Yes
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:33:14 AM): what is your evidence?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:33:45 AM): It can be proven to agree with the Gospels and it dates from the time of Peter. If you really want to believe in these so called gospels, are you aware that they actually taught that Jesus was not a man at all. They teach that Jesus was just God the Father himself. The “Lost Gospels” teach Gnosticism, which says that Jesus was never a man. That He only seemed like one but that He was the very spirit of God.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:36:01 AM): Peter 2 became canonical at 6 century !!!
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:36:10 AM): right?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:36:59 AM): However, it was already being used by the church much before that. When they canonized the books that only means that they compiled them into one collection.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:37:49 AM): you said you were a Jew.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:37:58 AM): Yes.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:38:16 AM): then converted to Christianity?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:38:21 AM): Correct.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:38:57 AM): You have a chance to convert to Islam .
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:39:21 AM): I could have if I had wanted but I didn’t want to and never will.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:39:57 AM): we worship God of Abraham ,Moses and David.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:40:14 AM): No, Jews and Christians do.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:40:57 AM): We don’t believe in God appear in a human.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:41:18 AM): Jews and Christians believe in the same God the Father. Muslims do not.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:41:47 AM): No we worship God of Jews.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:41:54 AM): No, you don't. You claim to but allah is nothing but a demon
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:42:43 AM): We don’t believe in trinity as Jews
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:43:04 AM): You also don’t worship the same God as the Jews
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:43:12 AM): Don’t say these words again.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:43:39 AM): Its the truth and I will continue to say it.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:44:41 AM): We worship God of Moses.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:44:59 AM): No
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:45:09 AM): yes
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:45:25 AM): Allah is not the same God. He is a deceiving demon and he will deceive you right into hell if you don’t accept the truth before its too late..
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:45:56 AM): I will not talk to you.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:46:01 AM): That’s your choice. No one has required you to talk to me but If you speak to me I will tell you what I believe. Im sorry if it offends you but its still what I believe.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:47:20 AM): But you say bad words.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:47:48 AM): No, I say what I believe. I have only said it because I firmly believe it. You can say that my Bible is false and that’s okay. You can say that my Lord is not the Lord and that’s okay. That’s not bad words? That’s not offensive?
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:50:58 AM): I said gently.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:51:12 AM): Sounds like you have a double standard. You can say whatever you want about Christianity but no one can speak negatively about Islam. Wow, what a double standard.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:52:02 AM): No say what you like but gently not say demon.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:52:11 AM): But that is what I believe. If its what I believe, it is what I am going to say. I don’t say “demon” to be mean or rude. I say it because I really believe it.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:53:34 AM): I didn’t say that Paul was a liar although I believe in that.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:54:28 AM): You can say whatever you wish but, as I have said, I will say as I feel lead by God.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:55:07 AM): If you want to get back to the discussion I welcome that or would you rather argue about what word I used?
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:55:51 AM): I want to discuss
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:56:08 AM): Okay, so as I said, Yes I was a Jew. I will always be a Jew but I am also a Christian.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:57:28 AM): are you one of Jacob son?
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:58:02 AM): Yes.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:58:35 AM): Paul was Jewish also.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:59:01 AM): Yes, he was.
arikinder (9/21/2010 10:59:46 AM): Paul was a Rabbi, a Jewish Teacher.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 10:59:51 AM): what is your evidence that he say the truth about seeing Jesus?
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:00:54 AM): The fact that what he said agreed with the gospels and he was accepted by the other Apostles, such as Peter.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:01:49 AM): Did Paul meet Peter?
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:01:57 AM): He did.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:02:09 AM): where?
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:02:56 AM): He traveled back to Jerusalem to meet with Peter and the other disciples after his missionary journey and He traveled to meet Peter in Rome, where he was ministering. Paul’s traveling companions also knew Peter well. Paul traveled with Mark, the author of the Gospel of Mark and Barnabas.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:04:32 AM): Barnabas was disciple
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:05:01 AM): Barnabas, was not a disciple. He was merely a fellow believer but he knew Peter.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:05:49 AM): Peter believed that Jesus was god?
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:05:54 AM): He did
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:06:17 AM): sure?
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:06:21 AM): yes
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:06:39 AM): I will search
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:07:00 AM): sure, please do
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:09:56 AM): The book of Ephesians was written by Peter. Here is says, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe, according to the working of his great might which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come; and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.” Ephesians 1:19-23
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:10:47 AM): ok
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:10:50 AM): Peter also wrote Colossians “For in him the whole entire fullness of Deity dwells bodily, and you have come to fullness of life in him, who is the head of all rule and authority… If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.” Colossians 2:9-10, 3:1 The last line, "right hand of God" Refers to the Father as Peter has already said that in Jesus is "entire fullness of Deity.” This webpage covers Paul’s beliefs and writings, http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/petrine_christology.html
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:14:41 AM): I will search well and you can search about Islam, ok?
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:15:34 AM): I already know about Islam, thanks.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:15:46 AM): Talk to you another time. Bye
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:16:33 AM): Sure and I appreciate talking to you.
abohamza alathary (9/21/2010 11:17:34 AM): ok bye
arikinder (9/21/2010 11:17:44 AM): Bye, friend